Q: When you found out Robert Francis Prevost would become the next pope, what was your reaction?It
was a surprise, for various reasons. The favorites on the betting
market were mostly Italian cardinals and one Filipino cardinal. Prevost
initially had only a 2% chance of being elected; when the white smoke
went up so quickly, his prospects dwindled to two-tenths of a percent.
Everyone assumed that, with an election that quick, whoever was chosen
couldn’t possibly be a dark horse. Additionally, it’s been taken as an
article of faith by everyone in the Vatican that there would never be an
American pope. The United States is too politically strong; it was
thought that an American pope might be too intimidating.
Q: How do you think an American “dark horse” gained favor in the conclave?
I
believe that behind the scenes, Pope Francis had been promoting Prevost
to some extent. A couple of years ago, Francis appointed him to a
position within the Roman Curia, where he was responsible for selecting
bishops worldwide. That allowed Prevost to get to know the cardinals
within the Vatican, something that’s more difficult for cardinals who
are based in other countries and continents. Prevost gained experience
that Francis never had. He came to understand the power struggles and
the politics of the Vatican. Before he was appointed to that position,
he had also gained respect as the worldwide head of the Augustinian
religious order.
Q: How have Italians reacted to Pope Leo XIV?
I
think Italians always hope for an Italian pope — that’s how it was for
centuries until recent decades. But judging by what the local newspapers
are writing, Italians find the new pope to be likeable, approachable
and humane. Some people, especially women, have said he has a “buon
viso” — a good face, a friendly face. Jill Kimbal, News from Brown
Kertzer, a professor emeritus of social science, anthropology and
Italian studies at Brown University, has spent decades studying and
writing about papal history. At the end of the interview he talks about his present research: "I’ve become fascinated by one aspect of what happened when Benito
Mussolini created anti-Jewish laws in 1938: Thousands of Jews, in an
attempt to escape persecution, rushed to get baptized and have their
racial identity changed from Jewish to Aryan — i.e., Catholic. In some
cases, that decision literally saved their lives. It’s not something
Italians like to think or talk about today.